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>> Angelo Santiago: Welcome everyone. I'm your host Angelo Santiago and this is the we are the Men podcast, a show that is dedicated to sharing the stories of men who are all connected by a commitment to having a positive impact on the world through the actions they take in their own lives. My guest today is Trey Steele. Trey is the founder and director of the Hope Project, a ah, nonprofit ministry that uses fitness as a platform to help people activate and grow their faith. Trey is a lifelong athlete and has been a fitness and performance coach since 2010. In that time, he has worked with hundreds of athletes to help them pursue not just fitness, but purpose. God used fitness to draw Trey to him. In 2013, Trey committed his life to Jesus and he began learning a new way of living. Along the way, he discovered that fitness is not just essential for physical health, it's also essential for spiritual health. Today, he leads a content development team using fitness as a framework to teach spiritual growth. He teaches across the country, he has worked with the US army, and he loves more than anything watching people come awake and alive to their God given destiny. Trey is also a husband to his beautiful wife, Casey, and father to three amazing children. I just want to say welcome Trey. Trey is also a good friend of mine. He's been on a critical point in my journey not only in understanding fitness, but also understanding my spiritual path. And it's a super honor and pleasure to have you here on the podcast. Trey. Welcome brother. Excited to talk to you.
>> Trey Steele: Yeah, Angelo, thank you so much man. Just so excited to be here and ready to engage and, see what this has for us.
>> Angelo Santiago: All right, let's get going, then. So, before. I mean, there's a lot there in the introduction. I'm sure there's questions that people are already thinking about, like, how does the spiritual health and physical health come together? How does the fitness come together into all of it? And we're going to get there. But before, I always like to start off a little bit, like, a little more personal, a little bit about you, a little bit about where it is that you find yourself in life right now, the season of life, what's coming alive for you in this moment that's guiding you, maybe what challenges you're facing, what's alive in your life that's calling you forward to the next phase, the next growth, the next iteration of Trey.
>> Trey Steele: Yeah. I'd say what's alive for me right now is just my passion for transformation. I have been placed into this season right now where I'm going through a little bit of my own transformation. I think we're all works in progress, but we have milestones. And you come in to a milestone portion of your journey and you discover that there are still some things about you that need to grow or change or develop. And so that's definitely what I'm in right now, and it's what I'm enjoying. I am, enjoying the transformations that I am seeing around me and the pain that I'm experiencing in my life right now is that my oldest is a senior in high school, and as we're recording this, he is some months away from exiting our home and heading to college. And so we'll be sending our first out of the nest. And so that is a transition that I am both very excited for and very sad about, man. But overall, it's a really good space for what's happening, both to me, but also just what's going on around me.
>> Angelo Santiago: Yeah, transformation, transitions, change, these things are constantly just happening. Right. And a lot of people and myself in the past have been hesitant, have been scared of change, have been felt like I don't necessarily love the way things are, but I don't want them to change either. Right. But I love how you're talking about this excitement in the transformation and also a little bit of the sadness in the transitions that are coming. But let's talk a little bit to anyone who's listening who maybe has some fear around change, around transformation. Maybe they're being invited into something that seems challenging, something that seems unexpected or unknown for you as somebody who feels a little bit comfortable and a little bit more into this idea that transformation is meant to happen. What would you want to say to somebody listening in that space?
>> Trey Steele: Yeah, this is where I think fitness is just essential to kind of understanding transformation. Because the human transformation is not just an external. Right. It's also an internal. It's mental, emotional, spiritual, physical. These are all connected together. There are principles, though, that we learn when we pursue fitness that then help us step into transitional moments, transformational moments, where fear and anxiety, or just being caught unexpectedly in that situation might lead us to want to step away from that as opposed to stepping into that. And so the way I like to look at that is through tension. People use the word tension and they think that it's always got this negative connotation. Me and Angelo, we got tension. Yeah, that doesn't sound very good because it's probably not very good. But in the fitness world, tension is the pathway to growth. If there's no tension on the muscle, there's not going to be a result. Tension is like part of, and it's essential to the process of growth. And so when we take that idea and we bring that idea into our life outside of a gym, we begin to see that, there are tension filled moments that we are being drawn into and are being created for us because the goal is growth. And so we have to lean into that. That would be my encouragement to anybody today. That's kind of maybe fearful or anxious or hesitant. Now, man, you want to step into that. You want to realize, like, healthy tension is actually the pathway to true growth in your total life. And when you are not experiencing that good, active, healthy tension, that's also a good wake, up call for those that may feel a little comfort today or a little complacent, a little satisfied with where you're at today. And it's like, hey, we need that tension in our lives. And we're reminded that tension is proof that we're in process.
>> Angelo Santiago: Yeah, absolutely. And the beautiful part about associating with the fitness that you just did is, okay, this amount of tension that I'm feeling now, maybe it's uncomfortable and it's leading to that growth. But if I allow this tension to help me grow, to help me develop, to step into the next phase of my life, or whatever it is that I'm being called to do, then the next time I face the same tension, it's going to be easier, right. That load isn't going to be as intense as it was the first time. And there's going to be another invitation after that for more. Right. Maybe a heavier load, stronger tension, more challenges in your life that really you will be prepared for because you face the one that's in front of you right now. So it's not about looking all the way ahead in the distance and being like, well, I can't do that thing all the way over there. It's like, well, you don't need to. You don't need to go 100% over there. It's like, let's just start where we are right now.
>> Trey Steele: Absolutely. And that is the pattern for growth in life. Load, then recovery, and then adaptation. And that load is provided via whatever tension is going on, whether it's personal tension, wherever that's being used. And I use this teaching to try to explain a pattern of growth in life because there's a common misperception that exists in our culture today, which is this idea of balance. And I have to hold everything in balance. And so I've got all these plates and all these things that are spinning, and success is measured by how well I balance everything that I've been given. Well, I don't think that's true. I think that's a myth. I don't think we were designed to live in balance. I think we were designed to live in tension. And when we use that, positive tension, we get a different result. But it also changes our mindset because it removes this, I think, unfounded expectation that success in life is measured by how well you can do how many things at the same time. Yeah.
>> Angelo Santiago: Which is just a recipe for if you keep doing that thing over and over and over again, just trying to take care of absolutely everything and balance and spin those plates, eventually those plates are going to start to fall. And then if your mentality is that, like, well, if I keep these plates spinning, I'm good, and if they fall, I'm bad. Then the second they start falling, which they will, because life is going to bring those challenges to us, then you're going to start talking down to yourself. That inner critic is going to come out, and then you're going to have to really face a lot of aspects of yourself that you had been unwilling to. But that's a whole nother conversation, which I'm excited to eventually get into. For now, I'd love to really dive a little bit deeper into the story of Trey, a little bit about you, to where you got to this point, how you found that this calling of fitness and faith really intertwined and came into your life. And so I would love for this to be a three hour podcast where we could go real deep into this, but really to just paint a picture for those who are listening. What was life for Trey like, quote unquote, before? What did it used to be like? How did you find yourself moving through life? Maybe it involved avoiding tension or pushing it away. And then the curiosity is like, what happened to create a shift to lead you to where you are now?
>> Trey Steele: Yeah. My life before faith was kind of a fitness driven life, meaning that I had developed an achievement based model of success. So in athletics, we want to win, so we win, and that's an achievement, and then that achievement produces a result, and it's a good feeling, and then the season starts over again. So I brought that into all aspects of my personal life as a young adult and then growing up. So, achievement was kind of the metric by which I was living my life, which gave me this constant sense of, disappointment because I would achieve something and then I would still feel empty inside the next day. So whether that was a corner office or six figures or whatever it was, that achievement that I thought was going to provide me with the contentment that I was seeking was temporary. And so that's what really changed for me. And that changed for me in 2013 when I was given the opportunity to kind of step into a faith journey, which was really not my own as much as it was my wife's faith journey that she wanted to restart because we had young kids. And so she wanted the kids to grow up with these teachings that I wasn't opposed to, wasn't like I was anti all of this stuff. I just was like, you can believe what you want, and other people can believe what they want, and there's room for everybody to believe what they want to believe, which I think is a great invitation, actually. So she, goes. Then I realized, man, this is maybe an opportunity for me to go. So I start kind of on this faith journey, which for us was just going to a church. And all of a sudden, I begin to get exposed to these concepts and these teachings, and I started to apply them in small ways to my life. And I started to see changes and changes where I was more patient in situations where I was a little kinder, where I was maybe a little less focused on myself, a little more focused on other people, just very minor changes, but I could sense them. And so, as a scientist, that's my background. I'm like, let's explore this. The hypothesis that I'm testing is that following Jesus produces better outcomes in my life than not following Jesus? Well, I have plenty of data on the not following part, so I was like, let's do some experimentation on the following part. So, for me, that was just like, well, bro, let's lean. Like, let's lean deeper and deeper into this. And so, really, what happened in that period of time was that, there was a rewiring and a reworking of my identity that was no longer about myself. It was about the work that God had equipped me or prepared for me to do. And I realized that's actually my ultimate destiny in life. And so, as I embarked on that journey, I realized that fitness could be a platform to actually help other people step into faith, because I was been a coach and been doing that now for a while, and I was seeing how these things were overlaying in my own life. And so as I began to take the fitness principles and use them in my faith journey, I started to share that with other people. And other people began to experience some of the same transformations that I was experiencing. And so then I was like, man, I got to do something with this. And part of my story is entrepreneurship. And so I've, started seven different organizations or companies. And so I was very comfortable just kind of stepping out and just saying, what would this look like? And so that's really what propelled me into the moment. So the. After this moment in 2013, after Trey, the faith filled Trey is a completely different human being than if you saw me before. You'd be like, that ain't you? And you're right, it's not. And the difference really is not any one singular thing. It's really just thousands or maybe millions of micro decisions that were more in alignment with God's plan for my life.
>> Angelo Santiago: Yeah. Seems, like that science experiment paid off to some interesting results, huh?
>> Trey Steele: Absolutely. Yeah. I should publish a paper on that.
>> Angelo Santiago: Well, that's awesome, man. Thank you for sharing that. And what I would love to tap into next is like, okay, so you had this experience in your life as a young father with new kids and stepping into this faith based journey with your wife and your family, and then finding the fitness aspect, which you had been involved with now, putting that all together, almost like creating this perfect connection of all the things that were, alive in you to create what is now the hope project. And so I'd love to share a little bit about this calling that has come to you and what it is that you see ultimately one, like, how it began, what's happening now, and what's your ultimate vision to create the space for athletes to step deeper into their faith and spirituality.
>> Trey Steele: Yeah. The vision for the Hope project just really began with the concept of people gathering in community for both some type of physical fitness and some type of spiritual fitness. That's how the concept started. And the work of that concept in my own life was just this really unique result of, this combination of physical and spiritual training, which we weren't even doing together at the time. It was like, hey, we're going to do a workout, and then we're essentially going to do some type of a Bible study. And then that Bible study morphed into, oh, hey, I'm writing some stuff on this fitness as a platform for faith growth and integration. Maybe we could use some of what, I'm writing to kind of guide these conversations that are happening after the physical workout. Well, then that started drawing people inside of the particular gym there into more relationships and conversation and growth and depth. And I was like, man, we got to get this out to the world. Because the other pain that I was experiencing in that time was that I was actually working for a church, helping to develop a campus. That's so crazy. The story accelerated for me. I moved right out of what I had been doing right into this call into the church. And then as I got into the church and I was working, I would be so excited to invite these people who were in my gym community to come to the church community. And I was like, you got to come. This is amazing. And then they wouldn't come. And then they would duck me and, not come to my class because they felt guilty that they said they were going to show up, and they didn't. It's no big deal. Like, I totally get it. And I just felt there was a disconnect between what was going on in community fitness gyms and their feeling that somehow this is satisfying the deeper need in life. And as, my science experiment had shown me, that's not satisfying the deeper need that you have in your life. That's satisfying a need, but not the deepest need, and you need to know about the deepest need. So I was like, hey, we got to do something about that. So I was like, okay, I'm going to step away from leading in a church, and I'm going to start this little nonprofit called the Hope Project. And we're just going to step directly into community fitness gyms, like Crossfit gyms and spaces like that, and we're just going to start to work with those who feel like they want more purpose out of life, and they're open to looking at spirituality in new and different ways. As long as you're doing one of those, it was like, great. And so that's kind of how the hope project began. And so then all we were trying to do was just get content out to people and then create spaces or support spaces that already existed where people could interact with that content. And that eventually morphed into really realizing that people could benefit from an actual spiritual exercise program that was more like it had a little bit more purpose to it, and it had some variability to it and some elements that most people don't have in their spiritual life. Most people just do the same thing every day, and it was like, man, we got to switch that up. So we started putting out a spiritual workout of the day, which got us just, gathered more people into, really this experiment of what does it look like to integrate fitness into the spiritual side of your life? And so we're passing through that phase now where we're continuing to do those things, but we're ultimately leading to just another vision, which is in building these spiritually healthy communities, actually creating our own community. And so that's what we're working towards this year, is opening a community fitness gym, where you're not just doing strength and conditioning for the body, but you're also doing it for the soul and making these ideas and these teachings and this system available and really letting a community of people go all in on it, both from the physical side and from the spiritual side.
>> Angelo Santiago: Yeah, I love what you touched on there about how I forget exactly the words used, but you're basically just kind of going through the motions. You're repeating the same thing over and over again. And that's true in so many aspects of life. I think you touched on it in terms of the spiritual aspect of someone's life. It's like, well, I get up and I do this thing, or maybe on Sunday I go to church and I do this thing, and then I kind of forget about it. And then you look at the physical, it's like, yeah, I just go to the gym and I do these exercises, and then I go home, and it's like you get into this autopilot mode of life. And, to me, having lived in autopilot mode for a very long time in all aspects of my life, including that achievement based aspect that you touched on, I could so relate to that, where it's just like, okay, well, I just need to get the next achievement, and I'll be fine. And then I just need to get the next one. And then in terms of family or relationship, I just need to make sure I do this thing, and everything's going to be fine. It's like that mode of living is just draining to the soul, which you spoke to. That isn't rich, that isn't life. And so when I first heard about what you were doing with the ho project, I was like, oh, man, this is so interesting. And I've seen, as I followed you on this journey of what you're creating, take this to different events and, like, Crossfit games and different opportunities. I'd love to share a little bit about what has been the reaction with people that both people who have a strong spiritual kind of practice, people who have deep faith, and people who have been in the fitness thing. But what about those people who aren't? What about people who are like, I don't know, this doesn't really sound right for me. It's like, I like working out, but I don't know about the other stuff. Or like, hey, I like going to church, but I'm not really a physical. What has been the invitation to bring those things together and the reactions that people have had?
>> Trey Steele: Yeah, I think the realization for most people is, just, as a human being, we're all very complex, and we cannot be broken down into these individual components. You cannot divide your mental game from your physical game, from your emotional game. If you're emotionally charged up because someone cut you off on the road, your mental game is going to suffer, and you might physically shoot them the bird, which they might deserve. Okay, so it's all integrated. So this is the reality that I'm inviting people to operate in, in their life. So, live into this reality. In other words, don't go to a physical gym simply for physical training, because you're doing mental and emotional stuff while you're in there. And sometimes that's healthy and sometimes that's unhealthy. Well, what about the spiritual side? Well, we've created this spiritual divide, not on purpose, but just by tradition, that it's like, that is partitioned out. It's separate. You practition it over here, you partake in it in all the ways and variations that people choose to partake in it. And to be honest with you, people that are partaking in some spiritual. I'll call it training. They're not going to call it training, but some spiritual activity. It's probably not with the regularity and the consistency that it even needs to be in. now, that's not anybody's fault. It's just, hey, this is what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to go to church, I'm trying to read the Bible, or I'm trying to pray. All that's good. Here's what I'm saying. We can integrate that into the physical side of what you're doing by actually creating an environment where that can happen at the same time. And it's not same time, like, simultaneously while you're squatting a heavy load, say this Bible verse out loud, or do. It's actually like creating a workout style where spiritual fitness is actually integrated into physical fitness. And that's really what I'm seeing right now as the opportunity for people that I think is attractive on both sides. I think that people who pursue physical fitness will come and find our hope project gym very attractive because it's going to have a great physical program. It's just also going to offer spiritual opportunities, and those are going to be available if you want to or you don't want to. And, as much as I want physically people to become spiritually active, I as much want spiritually active people to become, physically active. Like, there's a lot of people who could not go out and share the good news of the gospel because it's just difficult for them to get out of their house. So that's all about breaking this rut cycle that people develop these neurological ravines of just belief that have become so ingrained into who you are, to how things operate that there can't be another way. And so we're like, this spiritual disruptor. We're just like, hey, we think there could be another way. And then people are like, what's it look like? and so we've exposed people to it. Like you said, we traveled around the country. We worked with the. Like, we've exposed people to this. And the response from both people who are physically active or spiritually active has been extremely positive.
>> Angelo Santiago: That's amazing, Trey, I love hearing you talk about this one because of your passion. I can feel it every time I hear you talk about the hope project, it just gets me excited about it because I, just feel the alignment you have, the clarity of vision, the purpose that you have. And for me, a lot of the things that I work with men on with is getting to what I witness in you is that energy level of, like, I'm so sure of this vision, and I'm willing to explore it as the challenges come up, like, what's being offered here and how can I pivot there? It's not so stuck and rigid that there isn't opening for more because there's always more. But this energy that you bring, this excitement that you bring, this clarity that you bring and the actions that you're taking to follow up these words that you're sharing is really beautiful. So I see you as such a great example of that and knowing in all of it, like, the humanness of all of us and of you. And it's like the things that you face with your son about to go off to college and all the things that come along with that. And that's all to say that when you share about this spiritual aspect of working out, it's like, I used to be a firefighter and big thing for firefighters, like, how do we deal with all this stress, all this stuff that we're going through, and everyone's just like, oh, just go work out. Go lift some weight. Right. And in a way, that was healthy, but in a way, it was really just kind of numbing. It was a way of just like, let me just not think about it. By working out, out and so actively looking at the emotional while doing the weightlifting and the workout is like, there's a learning to be done there. And so, as I can imagine, to doing, adding the spiritual component while also working out, the idea is wonderful, but there's something here to learn, something here to practice, something here to experience the first time, a couple of times, get it wrong and then try it again and do it and see. So for you, let's say somebody's listening, they got a home gym. They love working out. They kind of separate their spiritual practice over there on that side, and their workouts over here on that side, they don't really integrate them. And like you're saying we have to integrate these complex parts of ourselves. Give a little bit of like, hey, if you're going to work out this afternoon, and I know you have your home gym, it's like, how can I incorporate a little bit of what you're talking about into my workout tomorrow or the next day?
>> Trey Steele: Yeah, thank you so much for that. So the easiest way for you, anybody listening to kind of try this for yourself is simply to start with our spiritual workout of the day. That's the easiest way. So all you've got to do is if you follow us on Instagram at hopeinatX, or if you go to our website, also the same thing, hope and atx.org. Either way you go, you'll have the opportunity to try our workouts, we post our spiritual workouts of the day daily on Instagram, and we also deliver them by email. So why is that the starting point? Because what that will do is that will give you a good amount of spiritual work for the day. Somewhere between eight to about 20 minutes. Just kind of depends on the workout of the day. That might be something like three minutes of prayer and three minutes of gratitude. Like, that might be the spiritual workout of the day. So all you have to do is if you got a home gym, that, you can just take that workout outside on your whiteboard or wherever you're creating your style of training, right. If you're a bodybuilder, you need more recovery time between your sets, right? Because you're usually lifting really heavy or really long, right? So maybe for you, your three minute recovery becomes three minutes of the prayer, right. Others of you who use more of a high intensity style model, you may find that you fit these into the recovery side of your intervals, or maybe they happen for you before your workout or after your workout. There's a lot of ways and varieties, but the easiest thing for your listeners to do is just go and get that spiritual workout of the day, either on Instagram or go to our website and then start integrating that and then comment on it. Let me know, how is that working for you? Where are you experiencing breakthroughs? Where are you still needing help? Because we are literally the tip of the spear on this thing. And I think this has the potential to truly be just a radical, transformational tool for a long time.
>> Angelo Santiago: I love that you added the invitation to comment, to say something, to share, because something that I've learned in my journey, of every aspect of my journey, is the importance of community, right? And you're talking about community fitness gyms. You're talking about fitness communities and spiritual communities and bring them together in this deeper community. So even if you do work out at home and you're getting the information from Instagram or the website, which we'll have in the show notes here, if you're looking for it, there's still that aspect of community. It's not about doing it alone. It's not about just being by yourself. And, hey, if this one didn't work, well, maybe I did something wrong. It's like, no, no, reach out to those people who are there to support you. This journey of life is meant to be done collaboratively with all of those around us. And so thank you for that invitation. Trey, if you're listening and you're following these steps and you have questions or you've had breakthroughs, or you've had something that's so amazing that you want to share or even share with friends of yours. This is the invitation. This is how movements grow. Both hope projects. We are the men and all the other amazing things that are coming through in this world. Get engaged, get involved. Life is not a passive experience, right?
>> Trey Steele: Absolutely. The community is powerful. It is the best reflection of who you actually are in this world is the community of people that you're surrounded by.
>> Angelo Santiago: Love that. Trey, there's been, some really beautiful gold in this conversation, but we're starting to kind of come to a close. And I say this to all my guests. I'm excited to six months down the road, bring you back on here, hear about what's going on with the hope project. You personally, in your life, where your son's ended up, the second he's left the home from being a senior in high school. There's a lot that's yet to be revealed for us that I'm excited to go a little bit deeper with. But before we do that, like I said, you've given some great insights and great opportunities for people to start taking actions. Is there any last piece of advice or message that you feel really called to share in this moment with everyone who's listening?
>> Trey Steele: Yeah, I, just feel called to just tell you, keep going. All right. Keep going. Sometimes the obstacle is the way. You know what I mean? Sometimes the very thing that's in front of you is supposed to be the very thing that's in front of you, and its purpose is to challenge you, because what challenges you is what changes you. And it is so much easier in this world to just give up or to just give in. And so, to anybody that is just kind of at that point in your life today, like, there's just maybe something that's been in front of you or something that you've been wrestling with or something. Maybe it's a dream you're just thinking about throwing the towel in on, then keep going, because you never know what's on the other side of a decision to keep going.
>> Angelo Santiago: Love that, Trey. Thank you for that. Keep going, everyone. Just keep going. Keep taking the next right step is what I always like to say. Even if you don't know where that journey's taking you, taking the next right step is going to get you one step closer to this beautiful life that is ahead of you. So, with that, Trey, I know you mentioned the Instagram and the website, which we'll have included on here. If somebody wants to connect with you from what they've heard from you today, or they're interested to learn a little bit more, is there anywhere else you want to invite them to connect with you? Are those the spots? And is there anything else coming up you want to share with our, listeners?
>> Trey Steele: Yeah, no, those are the spots. That's the best way to get us and really Instagram, it's where we really have our biggest community. And if there's anything that I can do for any of you that are listening or you just want to know more, or you're like, yeah, I just need to share something with you. Just dm me on Instagram through at Hope and ATX. All those get to me so I'm able to see everybody. And if you reach out and just say, hey, I heard you on the we are the men podcast. Just so we know where you're coming from, I'd love to connect and support this community in any way that I can. I love to watch individual communities grow and thrive and flourish, because I think that is truly the best expression of humanity in this world.
>> Angelo Santiago: Thank you, Trey. Thank you. All right. Well, Trey, before we close out, I always like to invite my guests in a little bit of a visualization, an opportunity for just a couple final words to come through that are guided. So if you just invite you to close down your eyes and take a nice deep breath and see what words through God, through you, come, out to share with the audience. And if you're listening, I invite you to join us to see what comes through to you. So, Trey, you find yourself on an open field. Thousands of men are with you, and you are about to address the world. You begin to speak, and I want you to finish this sentence. We are the men who.
>> Trey Steele: We are the men who have the power to change the world.
>> Angelo Santiago: We are the men who have the power to change the world. Thank you, Trey. Thank you, everyone, for joining us on the we are the men podcast. We are the men is a global movement, and I want to invite you, the listener, to be a part of it. Go to wearethemen.com to sign up for our mailing list and learn how you can get involved. If you like what you heard, please take a moment to rate and follow this podcast to help us reach more listeners. All of us know men who could benefit from hearing these conversations and engaging with our community. Please share this podcast today with someone you know. I, Angelo Santiago, and we are the mental
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